Oh Clay you brought me to tears ty. The doctor's opinion totally agrees. What got me It's smart to go somewhere for free help, reject that help then criticize it. Makes perfect sense. I can't stop laughing! LOLYou really need to write a book on the traditions. I'm at step 5 If you're concerned about talking don't worry about it if you have a good sponsor he will do most of the talking. LOL Sad but true. LOL I love what you said about the oldtimers too just showing up.